1624- guarantor of debt

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Signatures?

You are right, the two are brothers.

Op huyden den 9e Augusty anno XVIC vierentwintich compareerden
voor mijn Johan van Beest, openbaer notaris, bij den Hoove van
Hollandt geadmitteert, residerende binnen der stadt Delft, mitsgaders
voor den naegenoemde getuygen, Gerrit Pietersz ter eenre ende Willem
Jansz de Rieu ter andere sijdt, beide plateelbackers, woonende aen de Molslaen
binnen derser stadt, dewelcke verclaerden  te samen geaccordeert
ende verdraegen te wesen in manieren naervolgende, te weten dat de
oostzijdemuyre van de huysinge van den voornoemde Gerrit Pietersz,
bij hem althans bewoont werdende, mitsgaders de muyer bij de voorsz. 
Willem Jansz, in sijn huys gelegen beoosten deselffde zijdemuyer, alsnu daer-
tegens aengestreecken, zall zijn een gemene muyer ende
dat geduerende de lengte vant voorhuys ende keucken van den
voorsz. Willem Jansz de Rieu huisinge, sulcx dat beide sij comparanten
in ende op deselve twee muyeren (alsnu vereenicht zijnde) sullen
mogen timmeren ende anckeren, dat zoo wanneer den voorn.
Willem Jansz op zijn plaets tegens denselffden zijdemuyer
van Gerrit Pietersz een muyer heeft gestreecken van eene
steen dickte (in plaetse van halve steen dickte, die hij Willem
Jansz tegens den voorsz. sijdemuyer alrede heeft doen strijcken opten
drop van den voorsz. Gerrit Pietersz) alsdan ende eerder niet
deselffde twee muyeren mede zullen zijn een gemene muyer
omme insgelijcx bij henluyden te samen int gemeen gebruyct
te werden in vougen vooren is verhaelt, waermede den drop
den voorsz. Gerrit Pietersz buyten zijn voorsz. tegenaen getim-
merde muyer competerende, zal cesseren ende ophouden dat
de goote op de voorsz. gemene muyer te leggen, bij den voorsz.
Willem Jansz bij hem alleen gemaect, geleit ende becosticht
sall wesen, maer bij hen comparanten tesaemen ende elcx
voor de helft daernae ten eeuwigen daege sal moeten werden ge-
onderhouden, dat hij Willem Jansz ende zijne naecome-
lingen (possesseurs van zijne huysinge) gehouden zullen zijn over sijn erff te
gedoogen den waeterloop ende vrije waterloosinge van de voorsz.
huysinge van Gerrit Pietersz, uytwaeterende voor aent
Moslaen voornoemt, sulcx die jegenwoordich is leggende
ende deselffde schoon ende in goeden reparatie houden, buyten
costen van den voorsz. Gerrit Pietersz ende zijne naecomelingen,
sulcx dat den voorsz. Gerrit Pietersz water bequamelijck mach loosen 
ende uytwateren, zonder deselffde te mogen stoppen, beletten ofte in eenigher
manieren verhinderen, mits dat d'selfde Gerrit Pietersz voor deselffde
goot op sijn erff een tralie sal moeten stellen, verbindende zij comparanten voor't
nacomen ende onderhouden van alle t'gene voorsz. staet
elcx uit zijne elcx zijn persoon ende goederen, roerende,
onroerende, jegenwoordighe ende toecoomende, geen
uitgesondert, subject allen rechten ende rechteren, versouckende sij
comparanten hiervan elcx een acte in debita forna. Alles
sonder fraude. Aldus gedaen ende gepasseert ten
comptoire mijns notaris, ter presentie van Derck /
van Beest tinnegieter ende mr. Cornelis van Beest,
chirurgijn, burgers deser stadt, getuygen van geloove, hiertoe versocht.
Gerrydt Pyetersz
Willem Jansen de Rue
Dirck van Beest
Cornelis van Beest, chrirug
J. van Beest, notaris publicq, 1624

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Op huyden den 6e July 1623 compareerde voor mijn
notaris publicq ende voor den ondergeschreven getuygen
Cornelis Jansz van der Strate, schoemaker,
gewoont hebbende in Geyellt ende nu wonende
binnen der stadt Delff, ende bekende
wel ende deuchdelijk schuldich te wesen
deur overwising van Melchior Roma ende
Jan Jacobsz Thierensdochter, ofte actie vanhem
hebbende, de some van een hondert carolus
guldens ses stuvers tot 40 groten stuck, ter
zake ende als reste van brandewijn die hij comparant
bekent datt hem ten volle is gelevert ende de
voorsz. zomme ten vollen berekent te resteren,
belovende hij comparant d'voorsz. een hondert gulden
zes stuvers te betaelen in deser vouge, te weten
binnen drye weken d'een helft ende de
wederhelft binnen een jair na date
deses, ende dairbeneffens intreste
jegens den penning 16 int jair van denselve leste
helfte van date deses aff totter volle
betaelinge toe, compareerde mede Willem
Jansz, plateelbacker, mitte voorsz. Cornelis Jansz
sijne broeder principael inne woonende, als borge ende
mede als principael renunchierende hett benefitie
ordinis vel excussionis, vermeldende etc.,
d'welke hem zelven gestelt ende verbonden heeft
als borge voor den voorsz. zijne broeder ende mede
als principael ende voor alle t'gene voorsz. es, ende
elck punct vandien, verbindende daer- /
voren zij beyde comparanten elck hun perzoon
ende alle heure goeden, jegenwoordich
ende toecomende, geen vandien uutbezondert,
subject allen rechten ende rechteren, des beloofde
de voorsz. principael comparant zijn broeder borge hier-
van te vrijen ende te indemneren, costeloos ende
schadeloos te houden onder gelijck recht ende
verbant als boven, overgevende
zij comparanten ende elck van hen
datt zij werden gecondemneert in den inhoude
van desen, tot dien eynde constituerende mitsdesen
Henrick Boom, Barthelmeesz van der 
Velden, ende elck van hen beyde, procureurs
voor den Hove van Hollandt, omme te
consenteren in de voorsz. condemnatie die
zij geloven danckelijk te nemen ende de costen
daertoe gedaen te betaelen. Alles zonder
fraude. Gedaen ende ... gepasseert
binnen de statt Delff, ... ter ...
verlijt van Cornelis Jansz, in presentie 
van Egbert Gerritsz, corendrager ende Claes
Abraham Jacobsz als getuygen hier-
toe versocht ende gebeden.
Cornelys Yansen
Abraham Jacopszoon
H. Vockestaert, 1623

Morning Geert

Oh that's great to have my 'hunch' confirmed that the 2, Cornelius and Willem are brothers.

That seems a lot of money for brandy! 

Also do you know where Geyellt is in the Netherlands? 

Thanks so much for helping out with this, much appreciated.

very best wishes

Anne

A few comments on the otherwise great transcription Geert provided (i.e. the one with a date of 6 July 1623, which goes with the images in this post).

1) The witnesses are Pieter [not Egbert] Gerritsz corendrager and Abraham Jacobsz. I'm not entirely sure of the word at the end of the line that has Pieter's name. It's possible this was indeed an abbreviation of Claes however I think it was struck out. At any rate, the signature shows the second witness' name was Abraham Jacobsz and not Claes Abraham Jacobsz.

2) Now the place where Cornelis Jansz van der Strate had lived previously. I don't have a solution yet, but I would make a few changes. At first I also thought it started with a G but then I noticed it's the same letter as the beginning of the words Ende on the line right below and  Eenhondert five lines lower. There is a G in the word Gedaen on the next page that looks somewhat like it and is a common style for this letter, but it is distinctly different. So the town name in my opinion started with an E. I'm good with the ey that follow it, which gets us to Eey. The next four letters tricky: it is indeed tempting to read them as ellt, but Eeyellt seems strange. The fourth letter could be a d instead of an e but that a d cannot possibly be followed by ll. In newer texts, say 18th century, an l could often look like an e but in this text I do not see examples of an e being written in this fashion. So for now I'm sticking with Eeyellt. But ... this is not the whole word. The t is followed by a vertical "swirl" that we also see in various other places to indicate that the word had been "contracted", i.e. abbreviated by omitting certain letters. See for instance the words "hebben)" = hebbende at the beginning of the 9th line or the word "compt)" = comparant at the end of the 11th line. Unfortunately, you never know which letters were left out and from which positions unless you recognize the word from its context or see it written in full in other places. If I had to make a guess, I would say the place name was a contraction of "Eeyellant". Could it mean Engeland (England)? I can't be sure but the thought is not as crazy as it may seem at first. The De La Rue/Verstraeten family is believed to have come from the southern Netherlands. For instance, many Verstraetens in Haarlem (no proven connection) came from Wulvergem, close to the modern border between Belgium and France. Many refugees left this area in the late 1500s and early 1600s, often moving north to cities like Leiden, Haarlem, Delft, and Amsterdam. However, some moved to England where they had communities in places like Canterbury and Norfolk; some of these moved to Holland later on. So the idea of England as a "stop" before coming to Delft is not out of the question based on historical migration patterns. The spelling is just unusual enough to sew some doubt. Maybe we can find more on Cornelis.

Marcel

Yet another mystery here. 

Cornelis Jansz van Strate (n) didn't stay long in Delft. According to Hoekstra-Klein's publication about  'The Lamptekan' she discusses the possibility that Willem, Arent, Cornelis and Claus van Straten were brothers. She states according to Beydals' records (not sure who that is?) Cornelis, shoemaker  was married to a daughter of Pouwels Bourseth (Rouen) who was from France, one of the leading pottery makers in Delft at the beginning of the 17th century.  Cornelis (and presumably his family) moved to Amersfoort around 1624- that date again!

Perhaps more to uncover with this story too.

Thanks so much for your help in trying to establish where Cornelis had lived before.  

very best wishes

Anne

Coincidentally, I'm currently researching a family that is connected to the Beyda(e)ls family so the name sure sounds familiar. I have a book about this family in my possession. The Beydaels originated in the Brussels area. Its most famous member was Charles Jean Beydaels de Zittaert, the King of Arms, until 1811. When Hoekstra-Klein refers to Beydal's records, the large collection of heraldic and genealogical notes, mostly focused on noble families, brought together by this King of Arms comes to mind. The majority part of this collection resides in Brussels, the remainder in Den Haag.

Here you can find more about this collection:

https://www.hogeraadvanadel.nl/collecties/archief-van-de-chambre-herald…

Of course, I could be completely off base, but this is what comes to mind based on the reference.

Out of curiosity, did the author say anything about what made her conclude Cornelis moved to Amersfoort and/or what he did there?

Hi Marcel

That's very interesting. I wonder why Beydael included the Van Straten's in the records?

No Hoekstra-Klein gave no further references about Cornelis other than the Beydael reference, but she does go on to say he had a son, Pouwels Cornelisz van Straten was an apprentice at the pottery 'De Diesel' in 1641 (see vol 8 De Diesel, p56 & 57 *this is another of her publications to which I don't have access). Then really intriguingly she goes on to say that Pouwels died around 1653 in the East Indies, and that his uncle- Jan Aelbrechtsz Groenland (husband of Geertuyt Pouwelsdr Bourseth) was an heir.

This is really interesting as when Ariaantge van Sanden -widow of Claes Jansz van Straten, purchased a half share in the Morianenshooft pottery in 1658 it was from Jan Aelbrechtsz Groenland. Now it could just be coincidence but there might have been a family link here?

So the mystery about Cornelis isn't solved I'm afraid.

best wishes

Anne

If the Beydael reference indeed relates to the collection I mentioned (which I do believe), it does indeed seem a bit surprising that the Van Stratens would be in it. Maybe it's instead the Bourset family that is covered there and if the marriage information is correct, then this may be why Cornelis was mentioned in it.

The book about De Dissel can be found on the used market, e.g. https://www.boekwinkeltjes.nl/b/203630838/De-Dissel-1640-1702-Deel-8-Ge…