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Note held in the hand of a man in a portrait from 1580

This is an unusual request on the Forum, and I realise it's a difficult task but would welcome even a small suggestion as to what the text says- if indeed it is readable at all.

The note is held in the hand of Adriaen de Vriese who lived in Harlaam. The portrait is dated 1580 when he was 32 yrs old. He was the great grandfather of the Schoonhoven sisters who I'm researching.

with many thanks as always.

Anne

p.s I'll add a second photo of the note- taken without illumination in case that's 'easier' to read....

 

Reacties (11)

Anne zei op wo, 11/26/2025 - 13:02

Second photo without a light...

René van Weeren zei op wo, 11/26/2025 - 13:41

Dear Anne,

Here a digital version of the whole painting. The first line seems to open with 'Dese', the second with 'zeegenn'. 

Otto Vervaart zei op wo, 11/26/2025 - 15:47

I can read: Dese brieff sy / ge..h..men <?> .... / gelijk tot ... , the rest might become clear too.

Anne zei op wo, 11/26/2025 - 21:32

Well done Rene and Otto for having a go at transcribing this incredibly difficult text.

Thanks also for the copy of the portrait Rene. I was lucky enough to see the original in The Hague yesterday.   I took the close ups of the note using my phone, but the note is on an angle in the portrait as you can see, so it was difficult to get a good shot.

So translating the 4 words which are legible I make it: 

"This letter......equal to"

Otto where you put / was that the end of a line on the letter? 

Is there any other way to enhance the text do you think that would help decipher it?

with my grateful thanks as always.

Anne

 

René van Weeren zei op do, 11/27/2025 - 05:48

Photoshop-generated. It seems to say: 

Dese brief sij

zoegenn eener

....

....

René van Weeren zei op do, 11/27/2025 - 06:03

Attempt2

Otto Vervaart zei op do, 11/27/2025 - 13:12

The painting of Adreain Dircksz. de Vriese stems from the collection of the Klaeuwshofje in Delft.  It is since 1979 on loan in the holidngs of Museum Prinsenhof in Delft, https://www.museumprinsenhofdelft.nl/collectie/104880 , object no. B 49-3.. The painting is by Pieter Pietersz. The RKD record for it has only a black-and-white photograph, and the information needs updating, see  https://rkd.nl/images/26359 . .

Anne, if it reads indeed gelijk this word means here probably "just as". I am trying to deform this image, too, but I have no yet advanced much. It reminds me of the Letterlokcing project, https://letterlocking.org/ , for opening and reading unopened Early Modern letters....

Alexander Thijs zei op do, 11/27/2025 - 16:18

Additionally, it is also recorded in RKD images Lite: https://rkd.nl/imageslite/112892
Unfortunately, the literature listed there provides no clues about the inscription on the letter.
Attached is a detail from the RKD image, modified for better readability. 

Anne zei op do, 11/27/2025 - 20:46

Dear Rene, Otto and Alexander

Many thanks once again for all your efforts and persevering with this problem.

It really is difficult to decipher- I guess that's why no one has done it before!

Adriaen's father Dirk de Vriese was a former Burgomaster of Haarlem, his wife Cornelia Francesdr Wij was also from a wealthy family in Haarlem. Both were from Catholic families. Perhaps the message in the letter has some reference to his family?

very best wishes

Anne

Alexander Thijs zei op wo, 12/03/2025 - 12:58

Dear Anne,
I haven’t found any clear Catholic clues in the portrait itself (for a good overview of what to look for, see the section “De ‘look’ van de katholieke kerk” in Lenarduzzi’s chapter in Katholiek in de Republiek, 2019, pp. 166–171). As a result, it remains unclear whether the letter makes any reference to family ties or faith.
That said, I just learned that Iris Jocker, with support from the Vereniging Rembrandt, has recently been continuing her research at Museum Prinsenhof Delft, focusing especially on the Klaeuwshofje and the paintings and household objects that belonged to this women’s almshouse. It could be well worth getting in touch with her.

Anne zei op wo, 12/03/2025 - 18:28

Dear Alexander

Many thanks for all your suggestions.

I've been recommended Lenarduzzi's book by the Prinsenhof museum, who also put me in touch with Iris!

We corresponded about a few points I wanted to ask her about the Schoonhoven sisters, who are the main focus of my research, (which is about 17th century women pottery owners in Delft) but of course this whole family are interesting. 

Iris is busy writing a book for the 17th century society on the Klauewshoef, due to be published next year I understand. I shall look forward to reading her book in due course.

I'm really grateful for your contributions. If you know of any further experts who could read the rest of the note that would be great as I know the Prinsenhof are just as curious to know what it says as I am :-)

With very best wishes

Anne

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